can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

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  • 11. December 2014 at 14:02
    hi every one
    i am ware about differences between rfid & nfc .
    i developed a embedded solutions based on mfrc522 as a reader & mifare classic as a tag.
    know my question is :it it possible to nfc support phones(phones with nfc chips ) identify as a tag by reader(mfrc522) & reader can do all usuall operations like (reading UID , reading ,increment & decrement ,read,write its content )
    best regards.
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    11. December 2014 at 14:12
    Hi dizgah,

    in generally NFC phones can share NDEF messages via the build-in-chip. There are a lot of applications for send and receive this kind of messages. But you ask for an emulation of an entire card which is emulated in the phone. This is called Host Card Emulation (HCE). Unfortunately the MIFARE SDK does not support HCE.

    Best regards,
    The MIFARE SDK Team
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    5. January 2015 at 18:12
    Is there an Android App that does or will support HCE with desfire ev1?
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    19. January 2015 at 14:23
    Hi Phil,

    I do not know about such app. This is a question what do you want to do. To emulate a DESFire card for what purpose? I do not see any reason why someone will provide a universal usable HCE implementation. All booking and payment systems use secure chips on the device which makes it very difficult to copy or emulate this at all in software.

    Best regards,
    MIFARE-Team
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    19. January 2015 at 14:33
    We use ev1 for printing at our shool (future use will be payment and door locks).
    Right now our users can receive the print output only with a card (on which we write ourself the application).
    If the Android NFC could emulate the card behavior we could use the phone/nfc to get the printjobs.
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    19. January 2015 at 15:05
    Hi Phil,

    you use the MIFARE Classic card to control the usage of printing. Please take in mind that the security of this approach is that the coping of a Classic card is very difficult. The NFC infrastructure on Android is open, so anyone may be able to break our emulation software and copy the software and share the print access to everybody at your school (the security and copy-protections are the key topics here).

    You can implement several application counters and read/write sectors on a Classic card to support different purposes (e.g. door access, print access, payment in the canteen etc). I would recommend to use a DESFire card for this multi-purpose needs for security reasons.

    Regards,
    MIFARE Team
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    19. January 2015 at 15:15
    We have desfire ev1 running and no classic.

    So, can we have this on the phone/nfc in future?
    Greetings
    phil
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    19. January 2015 at 15:42
    Hi Phil,

    I don’t know about intentions of NXP to release such software in future.

    Regards,
    MIFARE Team
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    Re: can nfc-phones operate as a rfid tag like mifare classic ?

    25. March 2015 at 17:53
    Hi,
    so this question was asked a few moths ago, I hope there is a response today.
    Can we emulate a Mifare Desfire ev1 card on an android device ? I know that we can emulate a card using the HCE , but I need the Mifare Desfire ev1.

    Thank you.
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